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Doors closed on patio issue, says EB



"Councillors closed the door on the patio issue, Wednesday, allowing downtown businesses another couple of weeks with temporary fencing for curbside patios." Enterprise-Bulletin, July 30, 2010.

Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the special meeting that the mayor called (oddly, nor could the mayor) to deal with the patios, but I don't consider the meeting to be about "closing doors." Rather it was held to deal with a minor issue about the fencing required for patios.

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Something this small should have been dealt with by staff as a discretionary issue, and not required council to weigh in, but I suspect staff have been made cautious about making independent decisions. The last time staff made decisions about patios (decisions that were entirely justified and common sense), a couple of council members dumped on them so severely that I am surprised it didn't spawn legal action.

I had commented to council by email before the meeting, that, if we were going to allow some flexibility for restaurants over their fencing - the heritage-type fences that are required were not available from the manufacturer and are still weeks away - we should equally allow some flexibility to allow licensed patios to open beside buildings, as they had in the past.

After all, as Sean Cripps wrote to council in a few angry emails, isn't it favouritism to let some open in violation of the bylaw, but not others? Let's be fair, I argued, and let the restaurants get some revenue from this last long weekend of the summer holidays. We already screwed up their chance to make some money most of the summer, and during the Elvis Festival, why not give them some opportunity this weekend?

Obviously I was not in the majority of those who think that way, since the issue seems not to have surfaced during the meeting. But that's not surprising. The current mindset among the majority of council is, I suggest, to damn the icebergs of logic and business reality, and go full speed ahead with the Titanic of curbside patios.

In the EB story, Councillor Labelle said, "I think what happened is people were taking little bits instead of the whole concept." Well, I think people understand the whole concept very well, and simply don't agree with it, not merely disagree with pieces.

In the article, Councillor Sonny Foley "noted it was unfortunate that some of the restaurateurs are taking "the attitude they want to fight it." Geez, this is their livelihood and council has kneecapped it, without even the courtesy of consulting with them beforehand. Why is it any wonder they're fighting it? And why is anyone surprised that - after such an autocratic, anti-democratic approach - they are upset?

Councillor Tim McNabb said in the EB that "There is a better flow and feel to the downtown." I am a bit bemused by this because, according to everyone I have spoken to - including some fire service people and several truck drivers - the traffic flow is awful and far slower than in the past. The only reason the pedestrian flow is a bit better is because there are almost no curbside patios (only two, non-licensed ones), but the open space has also allowed a lot more cyclists to ride - illegally - on the sidewalk, creating more havoc and liability threats (cyclists on the sidewalk seem beyond our bylaw department to control).

McNabb also suggest that "some businesses aren't spending the money on moving things curbside because of the uncertainty of the October municipal election; there has been some suggestion that depending on the make-up of the next council, the decision to move the patios could be overturned."

Uh, yes: the patio location is an election issue and I'm one of those who are promising to restore the patios to the building side next election. It's been an election issue ever since council decided to move the patios without asking the restaurant owners what they thought.

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"They're not spending the money because it's become an election issue," said McNabb, adding the downtown needs a "fair test of the design and functioning" -- something that can't happen because of the negative reaction.

A fair test of something you weren't allowed to comment on, and was forced upon you despite your protestations and a large, 1,000-name petition opposing it, is unlikely. I can't see too many businesses eager to spend $3,500-$5,000 - and perhaps much more - on a test of something they didn't want in the first place and don't believe will be successful. Maybe if council had decided to pay the costs of re-location, they might be more willing to test the design. But those costs would have been borne by you, the taxpayers.

Why can't Tim read anything in that "negative reaction" aside from a reluctance to spend money? And why couldn't we have had a test first, before the dictate that everyone had to move curbside? To me it seems backwards to tell people what to do, then to test whether or not our command is successful.

It's not an issue simply because of the patios: it's an issue about how council responded to public input. In short: we ignored it as we have throughout this term, almost from day one (think about the Admiral Collingwod debacle in early 2007). The public didn't want the move, the businesses didn't want the move, the fire service didn't want the move. But five members of council, and a handful of BIA executives wanted it, so it happened. No wonder people are unhappy.

And as a result, I'm hearing not only suggestions that council will be upset this next election, but that the BIA itself may be at risk. And not merely an overthrow of the current executive - that is, after this issue, to be expected - I've heard from several business owners that they don't want a BIA at all, and would join a legal or political challenge to its existence. I can foresee an entirely different sort of downtown business association being proposed by the businesses for their future.



MCNabb infuriates me. How could he ever have become so dense? He and Jeffery ARE the leaders of the WRONG leadership for Collingwood.
Thank you VOTE for your misguided 'guidance' in the last election regarding who the Electorate should vote for.

I would prefer councilors that
-prepare for council meetings before the meetings (bye bye McNabb and LaBelle)
-can analyze a situation, and make an intelligent decision, AFTER collecting all of the facts....(bye bye "Kick THEN to the curb" Five
-admit when new information becomes available that influences a decision (Liquor Control Board, electorate wishes, Fire Department, and have the guts to change their mind based on logic (Bravo Ken Llyod)
-stand by their own decisions/actions without changing their mind after being abused on-Rogers camera by Jeffery (bye bye Sandberg)
-can explain to their constituents why they voted as they did without personal insults, and or ridiculous 'logic' (bye bye Jeffery and LaBelle)
-can recite recent recorded history without resorting to 'creative memory' (bye (bye Carrier, Labelle)


I know that some councillors thought that they were going to fight this election on 10,000 feet high issues...and that they are shocked that people are preparing to vote on issues like:
-who asks us what we think about issues that affect us....and listens to us
-who does due diligence before making final decisions
-who are open minded and make decisions on logic

There should be no place in Town leadership for autocratic, head in the sand, spin doctors.

Kick THEM to the Curb this October.

There. I feel better.
And Accessibility makes three.

I wanted further education, and to have my voice heard in what those with disabilities really require from the community. Hopefully seeing first hand how this particular group researches a project before they throw their weight behind a voice at Town Council. Therefore I filled out the form for submitting myself as a candidate to the Accessibility Committee a few weeks ago.

Oddly and unprofessionally I have not been informed whether I was accepted or not.
I get the impression from actions like this, the broom for Town Council and the B.I.A. needs to have larger bristles.

What disappoints me the most is how Town Council went about moving the patios and altering the road and curbs I do believe their hearts, at the outset where in the right place. But some where along the line you have to jolt yourself awake and hear the alarm that somethings wrong with this PLAN! And change it. The Town Council and the B.I.A. need to have compassion for the people and the businesses that comprise our community.

As Mr Cripps of Duncans Cafe mentioned about "Favouritism". If the current Town Council and B.I.A. want a clear line down the sidewalks why declare that and then force the PATIOS to move but allow clothing and product wracks to be placed against the store frontages. No. No. No. The only thing I see here is a target on restaurant owners foreheads and the sense of some one getting pay back for a fly in their soup.

The fact that there was no experimentation what so ever with this project would be absurd, careless, reckless and shows a fantastical disregard for the community and taxpayers money. like cowboys /girl shooting from the hip and asking questions later. ( move one patio VOLUNTARILY!!! Watch it closely even set up a web cam on it then document your findings. Present that at a public meeting with the restaurant owner as a resource speaker and representation from the Committees involved. LISTEN TO AND ACT POSITIVELY on what is communicated. Then Communicate BACK what your intentions are.

At this point I am thinking the the goon they have doing the URBAN DESIGN STANDARD needs an upgraded version of Sid Mier's Sim City to guide our development. I know politics is supposed to be you scratch my back and I'll vote your way but at some point the Councillors need to reflect on why they ran for office in the first place.

FOREWARNING to all those that think I will play that game. I am retired, no one owns me. I intend to act more for the people not the Corporation.

Ian your not standing alone and I ( once I am elected ) will be pushing to have the patios returned to the front of the building facade. For Safety sake first. If the Community wishes them relocated thereafter then it is the will of the people.

BFO well said. Maybe you should be running for council this term.
Well put both of you. I am (and so are a lot of other people I know) using the patio thing as a basis on how I vote this election. Man if you can't figure out the small stuff, why in gods name should you be trusted with larger, bigger picture issues?
Food for thought-If accessability is such a concern, may I suggest we mandate all stores to have just one aisle with the cash at the exit of the long aisle. This way people could travel unfettered by turning or stopping to peruse and exit the store quickly and safely.
Oh and I aggree, disband the BIA or at least make it an option to be a member. Don't think you'd see too many people on that sign up sheet!
Rick Crouch: "I have heard not one reason to support this move that is anywhere as compelling as the reasons against."

Mariane McLeod: "forcing patios to move to the curb is just plain dumb. Dumb, anti-business and not friendly at all to a downtown that appears to me to be struggling very hard."

Rick Lloyd: "The town should have done more research when these items (safety and liability) became issues. I think it's wise to admit if an original decision was wrong if new information is received and give in to common sense."

Casey Morrison: "Moving patios is a mistake."

Marg Scheben-Edey: "....this very poor decision."

Cheryl Nicholls Jones: "The first time a server gets .....injured the Ministry of Labour will get involved....I smell huge liability.

Ian Adams: "after hearing the arguments and listening to the discussions....I would have to say I'm firmly on the side of local restaurateurs who want to keep outdoor patios right beside their buildings.

Dick Hill: "I'm for leaving the patios adjacent to the restaurant as is done every(where) else in Ontario, Canada and the world.

1200 people signed a petition against moving of Hurontario patios to the roadside.

The doors won't be closed on the patio issue until Jeffery, Sandberg, Foley, McNabb and Labelle are on the other side of the door looking in on a new council made up of councillors respectful and responsive to what the citizens of Collingwood have to say.
As long as we're quoting every Rick, Dick and Marg, here's an interesting excerpt I found on candidate for councillor Kevin Lloyd's web site...

"Council is the authority that provides local services, facilities, safety, infrastructure, and is obligated to manage your tax money wisely. Therefore, it's vital to get your input. An important part of any community decision involves you, the tax payer..."

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