[dolfin]

Corona. This beer's commercial success is the result of an all time marketing coup similar to the one that the Heineken people pulled off. Gosh, let me see if I get the Mexican marketing correct -- if I drink Corona I am scoring the ¨rubia de categoria" -- "the high dollar blondine." Nice pitch to nation made up mostly of brown people; whose only contact with blondes is mostly through TV. Beer in a clear bottle oxidizes at a more rapid rate than those in brown/amber bottles -- ever notice that funny Corona taste? Green glass (Heinnie) is also less effective than the amber glass for preventing oxidation. Gimme an oxidized blondine, please -- for my pendejo friend. For me; I will have a Negra Modelo or XX Amber, thank you! The success of Corona here in the states can only speak to the power and influence of Madison Avenue. I have not analyzed the USA Corona campaign but I suspect it has to do with SEX!

[chekm8]

I think Carta Blanca is the worst stuff I ever tasted from the beer selections in Mexico.

Although I'm not a huge fan of Corona, if I'm at a BBQ where they only have Budlight or Corona...give me the corona with a lime and salt and I'm happy.

Even better, use the corona for a Michelada or Russa!

[lirubis]

The "light beers" from Modelo and Tecate are about as watery, lame and foul-tasting as they come. Superior is also a funky-tasting one, I dont like that salty-corn flakes kinda aftertaste it leaves in the mouth. Corona is ok, the problem is when you get a "quemada", (beers that have been chilled, then warmed up, and chilled again...) its disgusting.

All time worst though: Brisa.

[ianadmin]

lirubis, on Jun 13 2007, 10:07 AM, said:

The "light beers" from Modelo and Tecate ...

I used to like Tecate light, but it seems the formula has changed from the first time I tried it. Now it tastes, well, Canadian...

But I like Tecate regular. Con limon, por supuesto!

[dolfin]

[quote name='chekm8' date='Jun 13 2007, 09:

if .... only have Budlight or Corona...give me the corona with a lime and salt and I'm happy.

[/quote]

What are you doing at a function which provides Budlight? Being polite, I suppose. Give me enough lime and salt and I will even drink a Tecate; probably because of tradition and the early imprinting in my youth.

The solution is hip flasks; don't leave home without them. BTW the Stephen F. Austin hotel is saving the corner table for us on the second floor balcony overlooking 7th and Congress Ave where the cigar smoke billows.

[BaadDawg]

In Mexico they sell Coronitas that are 7oz. I prefer them to the regular size for some reason. Corona is not a bad beer imho.

[dolfin]

BaadDawg, on Jun 13 2007, 05:24 PM, said:

In Mexico they sell Coronitas that are 7oz. I prefer them to the regular size for some reason. Corona is not a bad beer imho.

Pooch: You're still a good doggie; especially since your papers are in order. I will bring along a couple of
coronas for you, but promise not to tell anyone you saw me handling them!

[heatmiser]

Hands down Corona is the worst mexican beer I have ever tasted. The power of marketing never ceases to amaze me...

[chekm8]

dolfin, on Jun 13 2007, 02:34 PM, said:

The solution is hip flasks; don't leave home without them.

Tough to get away with flasks here in the states, I'm always worried about having them while driving. I didn't used to care but now I have more to lose...!

dolfin, on Jun 13 2007, 02:34 PM, said:

BTW the Stephen F. Austin hotel is saving the corner table for us on the second floor balcony overlooking 7th and Congress Ave where the cigar smoke billows.

Yeah baby! I'm still firming up my travel but should be able to get out there soon!

I'll be in GDL next week and will hopefully be having a caballito with lirubis!

[lirubis]

chekm8, on Jun 13 2007, 10:59 PM, said:

I'll be in GDL next week and will hopefully be having a caballito with lirubis!

"ready when you are, Sgt. Pembry..."

[ooofda]

Chihuahua is the worst beer in Mexico. If you are in Chihuahua City the beer Gardens at the Brewery are great place to dance and party. But no one drinks the beer. Oh and across the street from the brewery is the best steakhouse in Ciudad Chihuahua.
I have noted a real drop off in quality of beer down there over the years. In 1969 when I first went down Tecate was realy strong and a great flavor you'd put a can next to your bed at night have the rock salt covering it with a couple of lime slices for the mornings "la cruda". What a great wake up!!! But now just like Bohemia and the others the effort is in trying to please Gringo Palates so most of the beers taste like piss.
If you get into the interior (the restricted Indian areas) the corn beer has more punch but you need a full and long moustache to strain out the debris. When I was mining in Sonora and Barranca de Cobre we'd take "Ca~na (that didn't work) which is refined 180 proof cane liquor. We'd get past the checkpoint at la Junta (Turn left after it and go down to Creel and then on to Batopilas...or go straight and on past Basaseachic, Tomocic, Yepacic...great little mining towns) by telling the inspector it was for medicinal purposes. Nobody willingly would get drunk of that stuff.

lirubis, on Jun 14 2007, 11:46 AM, said:

chekm8, on Jun 13 2007, 10:59 PM, said:

I'll be in GDL next week and will hopefully be having a caballito with lirubis!

"ready when you are, Sgt. Pembry..."

[dolfin]

ooofda, on Jul 17 2007, 11:38 PM, said:

When I was mining in Sonora and Barranca de Cobre ... and go down to Creel and then on to Batopilas...or go straight and on past Basaseachic, Tomocic, Yepacic...great little mining towns)...

In 1952 I spent a magic winter month camped on the banks of the Rio Mayo in the village of Mexiquillo, which may no longer exist since it may have flooded when the Presa Mocuzari filled up. My father was in on a tungsten mining venture nearby and I talked him into letting me spend a month of my winter school vacation with him. I would love to hear some of your mining tales of the Sierra Madre Occidental. I loved the stories my dad would tell about prospecting in and around your stomping grounds.

Do you have any information on the El Chepe flat car train trips from Cuauhtemoc to Los Mochis for motorhomes and RV's? Any information about decent brands of Bacanora would also be appreciated. What were you mining? What a great place to work! :D

[ooofda]

I did a Google search on both as I've never been to Mexiquillo, not have I taken the train. So I assume that you are takling about Mexiquillo Durango (seems to be thriving - looks like a great place to visit). As to the train yes the chepe cars are still hauling freight and in the images shown on google trailers and RV's are being hauled. Knowing how freight is distributed and business is done in Mexico I am sure that a chepe car would be available.
As to the train...He HeHe...I wonder what came first the english version - chippy car, or the spanish el chepe -...in mining a rolling flatcar is called a chippy, small mining hoist cars are referred to as "chippy" hoists...perhaps it goes back to the common ancestral home of the gaels as they were mining salt in Saltburg Austria over 4,000 years ago.

Gawd I love Mexico - la gente tranquillo y las mujeres hermosas. I was thinking of something last night once I finished looking at google world and that is how the names of cities and towns like everything else are being changed.
History is being changed also...Chihuahua was dominated for centuries by the Terrazas family, their focus was on ranching and land their power began to wane as mining became profitable and eventually dominant. With the mines came the railroads and banks. A family named Creel came down to Chihuahua from Denver and became dominant in Rail Roads and Banking. The Creels married into the Terrazas family and were ascendent. When the revolution came it was a Creel who ordered the durados to fire on the striking mineros. But it wasn't at Cannanea as is the popular story the killing was done at "Namiquipa" North of Cuatehemoc.
Yes the town of Creel as well as the Creel House still remain.
Speaking of Cuatehemoc the best little restaurant in Chihuahua was Ricki's it was a truck stop but oh man.
If you are driving along diez y seis past la Junta stop off in Basaseachic there's a geat family restaurant there too.
And in the 60's the best beer in Mexico was Bohemia, you only drank Tecate por la cruda. I understand that Budweiser bought Pacifica Brewing Co. So even the Modelo's will be piss soon.

dolfin, on Jul 18 2007, 05:45 AM, said:

ooofda, on Jul 17 2007, 11:38 PM, said:

When I was mining in Sonora and Barranca de Cobre ... and go down to Creel and then on to Batopilas...or go straight and on past Basaseachic, Tomocic, Yepacic...great little mining towns)...

In 1952 I spent a magic winter month camped on the banks of the Rio Mayo in the village of Mexiquillo, which may no longer exist since it may have flooded when the Presa Mocuzari filled up. My father was in on a tungsten mining venture nearby and I talked him into letting me spend a month of my winter school vacation with him. I would love to hear some of your mining tales of the Sierra Madre Occidental. I loved the stories my dad would tell about prospecting in and around your stomping grounds.

Do you have any information on the El Chepe flat car train trips from Cuauhtemoc to Los Mochis for motorhomes and RV's? Any information about decent brands of Bacanora would also be appreciated. What were you mining? What a great place to work! :D

[dolfin]

ooofda, on Jul 19 2007, 04:44 PM, said:

So I assume that you are takling about Mexiquillo Durango ...

Actually. I was referring to Mexiquillo, Sonora, which was on the banks of the Rio Mayo north of Alamos.The village was probably submerged when the Mocuzori dam was filled.
Thanks for the Chihuahua tips as they always come in handy! I love Durango and Zacatecas as well. In 1960, I took a year off from college and spent time "off the map" between Sombrerete and Fresnillo at a mercury mine. More mezcal stories! :P Cheers. flipper

[ooofda]

I thought that most of the cinnabar mines were in Leon.
My mothers father had a brother that got the mining bug and went mining in Sonora. He died after becoming ill. Grandfather had to go down and tried to bring the body home but had to leave it because of health reasons.
I mined in Sonora also outside of a small puebla just above the boothill called Maicoba (google spells it Maicova - don't know where the change came from as all of the old maps spelled it with a B). The people were mostly Pima Indians there. Really friendly. Maicoba is where I first had corn beer. I used to mix the cana (pronounce it with a y sound) with Jamaica...it was still pretty rough.

When in Mexico I prefer Mezcal Anejo, for some reason Tequila never tripped my trigger. Although the Hotel San Francisco in Chihuahua Chi. sure made a great margarita.

While I've been to San Carlos several times I never made it South to los Mochis.

My Mexican partner is Arturo Perea y Saenz, he had several producing mines the best one was in Ocampo Chi., he also had another in Guadalupe Calvo but it was playing out.

dolfin, on Jul 19 2007, 07:05 PM, said:

ooofda, on Jul 19 2007, 04:44 PM, said:

So I assume that you are takling about Mexiquillo Durango ...

Actually. I was referring to Mexiquillo, Sonora, which was on the banks of the Rio Mayo north of Alamos.The village was probably submerged when the Mocuzori dam was filled.
Thanks for the Chihuahua tips as they always come in handy! I love Durango and Zacatecas as well. In 1960, I took a year off from college and spent time "off the map" between Sombrerete and Fresnillo at a mercury mine. More mezcal stories! :P Cheers. flipper

[lirubis]

dolfin, on Jul 19 2007, 07:05 PM, said:

I took a year off from college and spent time "off the map" between Sombrerete and Fresnillo at a mercury mine. More mezcal stories! :P Cheers. flipper

W have a propane plant nearby Sombrerete. Traveling this region around summer is really nice, there is a place called Las Canitas de San Pedro Pescador where my truck ceased to function...LOL!!

[dolfin]

lirubis, on Jul 21 2007, 03:59 PM, said:

dolfin, on Jul 19 2007, 07:05 PM, said:

I took a year off from college and spent time "off the map" between Sombrerete and Fresnillo at a mercury mine. More mezcal stories! :P Cheers. flipper

W have a propane plant nearby Sombrerete. Traveling this region around summer is really nice, there is a place called Las Canitas de San Pedro Pescador where my truck ceased to function...LOL!!

Don't you just love mechanical problems in the most indiscreet places at the most inopportune times!

In 1960 I had electrical problems at night that temporarily stranded us west of Juan Aldama and Miguel Auza. The only way out was through Rio Grande and Sain Alto. This was before the Cuencame to Rio Grande highway was in place. With the exception of a relatively short stretch of gravel road out of Rio Grande we relied on more than 80 miles of jeep tails. Ironically it was probably safer back in those days than it is now. A 380 PPK was half decent firepower; now it would be laughable! It still is a fashionable piece.

There was a propane station near Cantuna. Is that the one? Las Cañitas is what direction from Sombrerete? This region definitely has its own special smell after a summer rain; different from other semi arid/desert areas.

I used to wonder if any pipiris Tapatios ever travelled the Guad-Juchipila-Zac road. ¡Tenias que ser tu! :D Saludos, flipper

[ooofda]

I was at a baile in Maicoba one night It was all Pima Indians. It was a little after 2200 when the local youngbloods started muttering about killing some white people. After several minutes of overhearing this I turned to the fellow next to me and said "Hey I'm the only white guy here what's going on?". The man looked at me and said something to one of the younglings and they laughed. "No NO tuya stan gente y un vecino". Turned out that they were talking about some fellas over in Basaseachic. Now I knew Basaseachic pretty well and there weren't any anglos over there either. But thats what they were saying. Funny thing about prejudice it has no boundaries but the lables can sure be confusing.

I had some in-law relatives in the San Joaquin valley, they were farmers and ranchers. Mostly Basques, Portugese, and a little Swiss and Italian too. One night they taught me how to distill wine into brandy using a stove. Every one had their own grape arbors and put up their own wine.
Just take a large sauce pan and fill it with wine take the lid and unscrew the top handle, run a nail down the hole, fill the lid with ice and put a jar in the wine under the screw. Start to slow boil the wine and catch the condensate. Once you get enough condensate repeat the distillation with the condensate. After three passes you've got close to 180 proof. Start adding some flavoring like peach or whatever and voila. Flavored ethanol.

If you're ever in the Northern part of the San Joaquin go into las Banos. The Woolgrowers Restaurant is a World Famous Basque Restaurant.
In my mind one of the best dining experiences in California. Except for the entree it is all family style. Taureens of Antipasto, Sopa Portuges (the beans and spices are served separately), homemade bread, lamb stew (best I ever had), get their homemade wine. That is the basic meal and comes by itself or with the entree.
And the decor is simple and plain. You go there to eat. And you eat well.

lirubis, on Jul 21 2007, 03:59 PM, said:

dolfin, on Jul 19 2007, 07:05 PM, said:

I took a year off from college and spent time "off the map" between Sombrerete and Fresnillo at a mercury mine. More mezcal stories! :P Cheers. flipper

W have a propane plant nearby Sombrerete. Traveling this region around summer is really nice, there is a place called Las Canitas de San Pedro Pescador where my truck ceased to function...LOL!!

[dolfin]

ooofda, on Jul 20 2007, 04:32 AM, said:

I thought that most of the cinnabar mines were in Leon.

The mine in this area with the largest production in its day was the Nuevo Mercurio which was near the Hacienda El Sauz. The Cerro Colorado in the Sierra Chapultepec gave up a few flasks. In and around the town of Sain Alto there were spiderholes all over with the inevitable retort kilns which dotted the landscape at one time.

You mentioned Cananea in an earlier post. One of my childhood friends in Mexico City who is of English descent lost his grandfather in the Copper Company incident.

Was it Yecora or Maicoba that had the famous flying priest who would tend to his flock by making visits in his Cessna 172? My father used to tell me prospecting stories about how aircraft take off from isolated mountain airstrips had to be made immediately after first light or it would soon be too hot for the plane to get off the ground.

Could an RV make the trek from Cuauhtemoc down Hwy 16 or is there simply too much going on to think about such a trip? Are there any places to stay along the way open to the casual traveller. Bohemia was super beer in the 1950's! Carta was not bad in those days either. :D Saludos. flipper

[ooofda]

as to be Maicoba, it used to be a one way in or out runway cause one end abuts a hillside. God Blessem those Mexican 172 commercial pilots...He He He...You know you're in trouble when they show up wearing a leather bomber jacket and a 1m long white silk scarf...Oh yeah and they graze the livestock on the runway a Maicoba too. The difference is that at Batopilas It's a 1500m freefall down that slope Maicoba maybe only 150 or 200m. If you've ever done it...what a rush...they do a full power dive buzz the field and chase the livestock away as soon as they clear the runway they pull up in a hammerhead stall...that way the pilot can look over his shoulder and know if the livestock is clear...if they are he finishes his stall trims and turns the plane and drops right on the runway...if the livestock hasn't cleared then he trims out of the stall and has enough airspeed to get out of the canyon.

As to driving an RV on 16 through the Sierra...No you can't trust it...Maybe the stretch coming out of Hermosillo but no not once you get close to yecorra or maicoba. Now if you were in a pickup and camper then I would say go ahead the Chihuahuan Sierras along 16 are really something to see...very similar to missouri or tennessee, real hardscrabble hill sides - just rocks and timber - but the valleys and glens are just gorgeous...the limestone host rock really filters the waters so the streams and creeks are crystal clear...the valley floors are a rich green...because of the timber the homes are slab cut log homes...very clean the truck stop at Tepachic has a small hotel that is immaculate...the Cascades de Basaseachic are nearby...Beautiful country...

Namiquipa has huge tin deposits as well as copper...They mined native silver in Batopilas...the gold was below the water table so it was inaccessible without pumps...but about a 1/4 from the silver mines there is a ridge that is owned by a family...they mine native copper there...

I had a good friend who mined cinnabar in Leon...he had a bar trick with a powdered mercuric compound...he'd rub some onto his thumb and forefinger...pull out a stick of gum with the light foil wrapper and start rubbing the foil between his thumb and finger while he would be talking to some stranger in a bar...all of a sudden the foil would combust...

dolfin, on Jul 22 2007, 04:06 AM, said:

ooofda, on Jul 20 2007, 04:32 AM, said:

I thought that most of the cinnabar mines were in Leon.

The mine in this area with the largest production in its day was the Nuevo Mercurio which was near the Hacienda El Sauz. The Cerro Colorado in the Sierra Chapultepec gave up a few flasks. In and around the town of Sain Alto there were spiderholes all over with the inevitable retort kilns which dotted the landscape at one time.

You mentioned Cananea in an earlier post. One of my childhood friends in Mexico City who is of English descent lost his grandfather in the Copper Company incident.

Was it Yecora or Maicoba that had the famous flying priest who would tend to his flock by making visits in his Cessna 172? My father used to tell me prospecting stories about how aircraft take off from isolated mountain airstrips had to be made immediately after first light or it would soon be too hot for the plane to get off the ground.

Could an RV make the trek from Cuauhtemoc down Hwy 16 or is there simply too much going on to think about such a trip? Are there any places to stay along the way open to the casual traveller. Bohemia was super beer in the 1950's! Carta was not bad in those days either. :D Saludos. flipper

[lirubis]

dolfin, on Jul 22 2007, 03:05 AM, said:

I used to wonder if any pipiris Tapatios ever travelled the Guad-Juchipila-Zac road. ¡Tenias que ser tu! :D Saludos, flipper

I Know that zone quite well, all the way back to Tabasco, Moyahua, the Achoquen dam (we used to fish bass there quite frequently, but stopped because of "local gun problems"...), and also the Jerez to Colotlan road (the fastest way between Fresnillo and GDL, if there are no landslides in the "barrancas". I used to do research for propane companies on how to develop new distribution strategies. I do not travel there as frequently anymore, but miss the tasty food and flash floods in rainy season... :P

[ooofda]

I hope that my poor spanish does not offend anyone.
Without any formal training I've learned it by ear. The problem is that I am quite deaf (100% in my left ear and 60% loss in my right). Mostly I hear only vowels and it can be quite confusing.
For instance...We had just finished a beakfast meeting at the Hotel la Victoria in Chi. when my socio y familiar Arturo
asked me "Bruce why do you always order spider juice at breakfast"...Jeeezus all those months and not knowing that
there was an N and j involved... :blush: Well all the waiters had had perplexed looks on their faces and then they'd smile...
Jugo de anrana. Now there's a drink for you.

lirubis, on Jul 23 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

dolfin, on Jul 22 2007, 03:05 AM, said:

I used to wonder if any pipiris Tapatios ever travelled the Guad-Juchipila-Zac road. ¡Tenias que ser tu! :D Saludos, flipper

I Know that zone quite well, all the way back to Tabasco, Moyahua, the Achoquen dam (we used to fish bass there quite frequently, but stopped because of "local gun problems"...), and also the Jerez to Colotlan road (the fastest way between Fresnillo and GDL, if there are no landslides in the "barrancas". I used to do research for propane companies on how to develop new distribution strategies. I do not travel there as frequently anymore, but miss the tasty food and flash floods in rainy season... :P

[dolfin]

lirubis, on Jul 23 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

dolfin, on Jul 22 2007, 03:05 AM, said:

I used to wonder if any pipiris Tapatios ever travelled the Guad-Juchipila-Zac road. ¡Tenias que ser tu! :D Saludos, flipper

I Know that zone quite well, all the way back to Tabasco, Moyahua, the Achoquen dam (we used to fish bass there quite frequently, but stopped because of "local gun problems"...

... if there are no landslides in the "barrancas".

... but miss the tasty food and flash floods in rainy season... :P

Bufanda: This region definitely does have "sabor" and you never really know for sure how a trip will turn out. I clocked a VW van at 3mph on the grade from the bottom of the canyon towards Guad. The occupants waved and looked happy driving on the shoulder in first gear while some of them hung their legs out the side door. I have no doubt that they made it.

Do you know the history of how the boundary between Zacatecas and Jalisco was drawn. As you well know, Jalisco walked away from the table with all the land with water and the canyon bottoms and Zacatecas walked with the inhospitable high desert. ¿ Como estuvo? The Zac/Jal border when viewed on a map looks like today's Texas congressional district map.

Did you ever drive the Tamazunchale to Zimapan (hwy 85) road through the San Luis Potosi/Hidalgo Huastecan cloud forests; or take any of the Oaxacan cloud forest rides? Be sure to treat yourself to Luis Buñuel's narrative feature film Subida al Cielo (1952) for a taste of the flavor of this part of the Huasteca. Buñuel's son, Rafael, was my classmate and teammate at the AHS. Be sure to do the Tamazunchale trip at night for maximum effect!! What were we thinking? Saludos, flipper

[ooofda]

It was Christmas break in 1968, my senior year in college. A family friend, Geno - who was a retired Army major - spent every winter in Mexico and offered to take me down to the West Coast. We left before Christmas in a terrible blizzard and crossed the border at Juarez, Geno drove a Travelall and pulled a 28' Airstream. The second night was spent in Zacatecas, and we drove to Guad. in the morning. Everyday was an adventure even for an adult much less a 21 year old. While I don't recall the name of the canyon I'm sure it is the one you are talking about.
We were tooling along at 50 or 55 mph when suddenly there was nothing but blue sky. Unlike the other mesas we had been passing over, the road on the other side seemed so far away. Geno started cussing at himself, "I've driven this damned thing over 10 times and I still forget about it". Thanks to El Senor, that the curves were banked and graded,
because we used every inch of them. About 2/3's of the way down a local had stacked several crates of chickens along the road as it came out of a curve. We swung wide and heard a thump. Making it to the bottom Geno parked on top of the narrow bridge crossing the river. For several minutes we just sat and shook. Finally I got out and looked things over. The drivers side of the trailer had a lot of feathers and some blood all along it's length. We were about to turn around and go back to pay the man when a scooter cop pulled up to us coming from the Zacatecas side. He turned off his lights and walked over to Geno. Once Geno had given him $25 in dollars, the cop got on his bike and went on to Guad. Geno muttered I'm only paying for those chickens once and drove on also. We stayed in a trailer park
that was inside an orange grove. Sunday morning at the Copa de Leche watching the senoritas on Promenade. Muy hermosa.
After 4 days in Guad. we went on to the coast turned right at Cihuatlan, and set up North of there in Malaque. In those days la Barre de Navidad was a tough town. But I had a ball in San Patricio. Malaque was just the Hotel then,
and while we were there some general had his troops begin to build what I was told would be his personal estate.

dolfin, on Jul 24 2007, 06:00 AM, said:

lirubis, on Jul 23 2007, 10:17 AM, said:

dolfin, on Jul 22 2007, 03:05 AM, said:

I used to wonder if any pipiris Tapatios ever travelled the Guad-Juchipila-Zac road. ¡Tenias que ser tu! :D Saludos, flipper

I Know that zone quite well, all the way back to Tabasco, Moyahua, the Achoquen dam (we used to fish bass there quite frequently, but stopped because of "local gun problems"...

... if there are no landslides in the "barrancas".

... but miss the tasty food and flash floods in rainy season... :P

Bufanda: This region definitely does have "sabor" and you never really know for sure how a trip will turn out. I clocked a VW van at 3mph on the grade from the bottom of the canyon towards Guad. The occupants waved and looked happy driving on the shoulder in first gear while some of them hung their legs out the side door. I have no doubt that they made it.

Do you know the history of how the boundary between Zacatecas and Jalisco was drawn. As you well know, Jalisco walked away from the table with all the land with water and the canyon bottoms and Zacatecas walked with the inhospitable high desert. ¿ Como estuvo? The Zac/Jal border when viewed on a map looks like today's Texas congressional district map.

Did you ever drive the Tamazunchale to Zimapan (hwy 85) road through the San Luis Potosi/Hidalgo Huastecan cloud forests; or take any of the Oaxacan cloud forest rides? Be sure to treat yourself to Luis Buñuel's narrative feature film Subida al Cielo (1952) for a taste of the flavor of this part of the Huasteca. Buñuel's son, Rafael, was my classmate and teammate at the AHS. Be sure to do the Tamazunchale trip at night for maximum effect!! What were we thinking? Saludos, flipper

[lirubis]

We stayed in a trailer park that was inside an orange grove. Sunday morning at the Copa de Leche watching the senoritas on Promenade. Muy hermosa.
After 4 days in Guad. we went on to the coast turned right at Cihuatlan, and set up North of there in Malaque. In those days la Barre de Navidad was a tough town. But I had a ball in San Patricio. Malaque was just the Hotel then,
and while we were there some general had his troops begin to build what I was told would be his personal estate.

La copa de Leche's owners, the Limberopulos family, are friends of my family (my mom went to school with Tati, daughter of the owner), and back in those days it was THE place to be in Downtown GDL.

I spent more weekends at Melaque that I can count with my fingers, it used to be a really quiet, peaceful and cheap place to be with the kids back in late 60's and early 70's. The trailers used to park bust at the calm north side of the bay, opposite of Barra (which, BTW, is STILL a very TOUGH place... :D . Maybe my Dad knows your friend, since most of his patients were mostly snowbirds / war vets and we used to go over Melaque to visit them and have barbecues and stuff over their motorhome and trailer camps. In fact, one of this vets (bald dude with tatoos, a Weimaraner dog who drove a beat -up diesel Mercedes) teached me how to dive there! He had a huge spread eagle holding arrows with its feet tatoo in his arm.

The nights were really cool and the broiled fresh fish was just incredibly delicious, as it was always fresh catch.

Did you ever go to other beaches like La Manzanilla, Tenacatita or El Tecuan, just a bit north of Melaque?

[ooofda]

Tecuan, is that the cove just over the hill from Malaque? If it is I have a long story to tell - wound up in the jungle North of there for 3 days and nights, wasn't lost just couldn't get out. I'll tell that one later.
We set up the trailer at the far end of the Malaque Beach just off of the local restaurant/bar. I taught local children to swim and from then on I had a stack of fresh tortillas every morning (from a lady in San Patricio), a local farmer would
drop off a bolsa of pineapples, oranges, limes, and coconuts every 3 days. I would eat several times a week with a fishing family in San Patricio. Best seafood I ever ate. They would cook fresh filets on stones along the cooking fire,
one daughter making fresh tortillas, another preparing the salsa. mmmmmmmmm
I met the President of the Collegio de Americas at Malaque and he offered me a job teaching History. I've often wondered what would have happened if I'd taken that road.

lirubis, on Jul 25 2007, 10:35 AM, said:

We stayed in a trailer park that was inside an orange grove. Sunday morning at the Copa de Leche watching the senoritas on Promenade. Muy hermosa.
After 4 days in Guad. we went on to the coast turned right at Cihuatlan, and set up North of there in Malaque. In those days la Barre de Navidad was a tough town. But I had a ball in San Patricio. Malaque was just the Hotel then,
and while we were there some general had his troops begin to build what I was told would be his personal estate.

La copa de Leche's owners, the Limberopulos family, are friends of my family (my mom went to school with Tati, daughter of the owner), and back in those days it was THE place to be in Downtown GDL.

I spent more weekends at Melaque that I can count with my fingers, it used to be a really quiet, peaceful and cheap place to be with the kids back in late 60's and early 70's. The trailers used to park bust at the calm north side of the bay, opposite of Barra (which, BTW, is STILL a very TOUGH place... :D . Maybe my Dad knows your friend, since most of his patients were mostly snowbirds / war vets and we used to go over Melaque to visit them and have barbecues and stuff over their motorhome and trailer camps. In fact, one of this vets (bald dude with tatoos, a Weimaraner dog who drove a beat -up diesel Mercedes) teached me how to dive there! He had a huge spread eagle holding arrows with its feet tatoo in his arm.

The nights were really cool and the broiled fresh fish was just incredibly delicious, as it was always fresh catch.

Did you ever go to other beaches like La Manzanilla, Tenacatita or El Tecuan, just a bit north of Melaque?

[ooofda]

Was your father an MD in Guad.? I really don't know if he knew Geno. Geno's name is Gene Senti, he is about 90 now
and was a Ranger in WW2. Geno is Italian about 6'5" and usually well dressed, wearing cowboy boots mostly. He now lives in South East Texas near the border. Geno went to Melaque often and always had dogs. He had a huge shepard
who jumped a *sexist slur* mastiff, well Geno wound up with 2 females from that litter (Misty and Dusty) and they were large
shepard mixed, but not huge.
I met a gentleman in the hospital in Guad. he was recovering from something but had to stay in bed for several more weeks. He was an American "importer" of farming/light construction equipment. That was around Christmas of 67.
I met the President of the Collegio on the beach at the cantina on the North end of the Bay. He had just gotten married the night before to an Aero Noves o Aero Mexicano stewardess...one of the nicest couples...he was very tall
and dark with a bunch of scars on his body. I believe his name was George? Quien sabe? It's been 40 years.

ooofda, on Jul 25 2007, 11:34 AM, said:

Tecuan, is that the cove just over the hill from Malaque? If it is I have a long story to tell - wound up in the jungle North of there for 3 days and nights, wasn't lost just couldn't get out. I'll tell that one later.
We set up the trailer at the far end of the Malaque Beach just off of the local restaurant/bar. I taught local children to swim and from then on I had a stack of fresh tortillas every morning (from a lady in San Patricio), a local farmer would
drop off a bolsa of pineapples, oranges, limes, and coconuts every 3 days. I would eat several times a week with a fishing family in San Patricio. Best seafood I ever ate. They would cook fresh filets on stones along the cooking fire,
one daughter making fresh tortillas, another preparing the salsa. mmmmmmmmm
I met the President of the Collegio de Americas at Malaque and he offered me a job teaching History. I've often wondered what would have happened if I'd taken that road.

lirubis, on Jul 25 2007, 10:35 AM, said:

We stayed in a trailer park that was inside an orange grove. Sunday morning at the Copa de Leche watching the senoritas on Promenade. Muy hermosa.
After 4 days in Guad. we went on to the coast turned right at Cihuatlan, and set up North of there in Malaque. In those days la Barre de Navidad was a tough town. But I had a ball in San Patricio. Malaque was just the Hotel then,
and while we were there some general had his troops begin to build what I was told would be his personal estate.

La copa de Leche's owners, the Limberopulos family, are friends of my family (my mom went to school with Tati, daughter of the owner), and back in those days it was THE place to be in Downtown GDL.

I spent more weekends at Melaque that I can count with my fingers, it used to be a really quiet, peaceful and cheap place to be with the kids back in late 60's and early 70's. The trailers used to park bust at the calm north side of the bay, opposite of Barra (which, BTW, is STILL a very TOUGH place... :D . Maybe my Dad knows your friend, since most of his patients were mostly snowbirds / war vets and we used to go over Melaque to visit them and have barbecues and stuff over their motorhome and trailer camps. In fact, one of this vets (bald dude with tatoos, a Weimaraner dog who drove a beat -up diesel Mercedes) teached me how to dive there! He had a huge spread eagle holding arrows with its feet tatoo in his arm.

The nights were really cool and the broiled fresh fish was just incredibly delicious, as it was always fresh catch.

Did you ever go to other beaches like La Manzanilla, Tenacatita or El Tecuan, just a bit north of Melaque?

[ooofda]

Never thought that using that term when discussing a breeding female dog would result in censorship. Oh well.

ooofda, on Jul 25 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

Was your father an MD in Guad.? I really don't know if he knew Geno. Geno's name is Gene Senti, he is about 90 now
and was a Ranger in WW2. Geno is Italian about 6'5" and usually well dressed, wearing cowboy boots mostly. He now lives in South East Texas near the border. Geno went to Melaque often and always had dogs. He had a huge shepard
who jumped a *sexist slur* mastiff, well Geno wound up with 2 females from that litter (Misty and Dusty) and they were large
shepard mixed, but not huge.
I met a gentleman in the hospital in Guad. he was recovering from something but had to stay in bed for several more weeks. He was an American "importer" of farming/light construction equipment. That was around Christmas of 67.
I met the President of the Collegio on the beach at the cantina on the North end of the Bay. He had just gotten married the night before to an Aero Noves o Aero Mexicano stewardess...one of the nicest couples...he was very tall
and dark with a bunch of scars on his body. I believe his name was George? Quien sabe? It's been 40 years.

ooofda, on Jul 25 2007, 11:34 AM, said:

Tecuan, is that the cove just over the hill from Malaque? If it is I have a long story to tell - wound up in the jungle North of there for 3 days and nights, wasn't lost just couldn't get out. I'll tell that one later.
We set up the trailer at the far end of the Malaque Beach just off of the local restaurant/bar. I taught local children to swim and from then on I had a stack of fresh tortillas every morning (from a lady in San Patricio), a local farmer would
drop off a bolsa of pineapples, oranges, limes, and coconuts every 3 days. I would eat several times a week with a fishing family in San Patricio. Best seafood I ever ate. They would cook fresh filets on stones along the cooking fire,
one daughter making fresh tortillas, another preparing the salsa. mmmmmmmmm
I met the President of the Collegio de Americas at Malaque and he offered me a job teaching History. I've often wondered what would have happened if I'd taken that road.

lirubis, on Jul 25 2007, 10:35 AM, said:

We stayed in a trailer park that was inside an orange grove. Sunday morning at the Copa de Leche watching the senoritas on Promenade. Muy hermosa.
After 4 days in Guad. we went on to the coast turned right at Cihuatlan, and set up North of there in Malaque. In those days la Barre de Navidad was a tough town. But I had a ball in San Patricio. Malaque was just the Hotel then,
and while we were there some general had his troops begin to build what I was told would be his personal estate.

La copa de Leche's owners, the Limberopulos family, are friends of my family (my mom went to school with Tati, daughter of the owner), and back in those days it was THE place to be in Downtown GDL.

I spent more weekends at Melaque that I can count with my fingers, it used to be a really quiet, peaceful and cheap place to be with the kids back in late 60's and early 70's. The trailers used to park bust at the calm north side of the bay, opposite of Barra (which, BTW, is STILL a very TOUGH place... :D . Maybe my Dad knows your friend, since most of his patients were mostly snowbirds / war vets and we used to go over Melaque to visit them and have barbecues and stuff over their motorhome and trailer camps. In fact, one of this vets (bald dude with tatoos, a Weimaraner dog who drove a beat -up diesel Mercedes) teached me how to dive there! He had a huge spread eagle holding arrows with its feet tatoo in his arm.

The nights were really cool and the broiled fresh fish was just incredibly delicious, as it was always fresh catch.

Did you ever go to other beaches like La Manzanilla, Tenacatita or El Tecuan, just a bit north of Melaque?

[LaD'Estribo]

Dolfin, I was wondering about how Jalisco and Zacatecas where divided. Can you shed some light on the story please. Thnx

[ianadmin]

ooofda, on Jul 25 2007, 09:25 PM, said:

Never thought that using that term when discussing a breeding female dog would result in censorship. Oh well.

The filter is automatic, part of the forum software. It can't read context, just parse posts. The replacement terms/words are selected from a bad word filter list, not made by moderators. It happens sometimes that it hits something that's actually appropriate... sorry. I could make tweaks on specific words or even turn it off completely, but it's proven handy to defuse some comments that might have otehrwise been offensive and started a flame war. When I started the forum, it was open to everyone without needing to register - and the filter was in use all the time because kids were getting on and filling . I know we're all adults here, but kids can read the posts, too.